so a give like edward snowden could leach out a lot of intelligence just by in that field in russia. >> which is an interesting point wi . maybe they sell hats but it could be their version of the nsa. you don't always say you are what you are. that brings me to the point. we don't know what the job. is his attorney said they're with holding it for security reasons. how valuable, tim, do you think snowden is at this point as an intelligence asset for the russians? >> he is of great value. just his knowledge of how he got hired. the process of his hiring. the type of work he did. the personnel he worked. with all of those things, there's a arraign why when you're in the intelligence communicate and you have a top secret clearance or a clearance above that, why pillow talk is banned. everyone you associate. with any foreign nationals you associate with all have to be reported. the agencies have to look at that and to see if there is a possible envelope being built around that you could sap information from you. so whether he intentionally gives it out or not is not the question. it is